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Justin
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Amateur Porn + Photoshop Filter = Art
Posted: 7/27/2011 11:48:59 PM
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On a similar, and somewhat related topic to the net-creeper-dick thread, I would like to address the phenomenon of exhibitionist types posting their crappy amateur porn, crudely modified by a photoshop filter, as "Erotic Art."
Much like the case of the dick galleries, this is a type of post that requires me to find a balance between trying not to impede the free expression of others, and maintaining a standard of artistic quality on this site. These photos are not deserving of being displayed alongside the very high quality of work that real artists are posting here. However there is a whole continuum of grey area that makes it very difficult to "draw the line."
So, as with the dick galleries, I'm putting this one out there for you, the community, to discuss and hopefully come up with some feedback that will help define more clearly where that line should be.
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Last edited by Justin on 7/27/2011 11:55 PM. Total Edits: 2.
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Stuart Xland. Xlandphoto
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Re: Amateur Porn + Photoshop Filter = Art
Posted: 7/29/2011 2:43:03 AM
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A difficult subject that has perplexed many for hundreds of years, the definition of Erotica has to be in the eye of the beholder no matter what the artist presents or describes as 'Art'....As history shows quite clearly styles of erotica change as frequently as the weather on a welsh hillside.Where can one draw a line?and will that line represent censorship or taste?Exhibitionism is of course very different to an artist creating a piece depicting 'exhibitionism'.Personally, i have produced many images of male and female erotica that may well have been in someones definition of a 'grey area' and often i attempt to produce images that deliberately question the viewers boundaries...This i feel is a valid form of expression ..but as i said, at the end of the day it is 'in the eye of the beholder'.I can obviously sympathise with your situation as the Administrator of a high quality art site and the unwanted role of a censor for the good of all the members and viewers...a situation and a position that i can honestly say that i do not envy....
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The Dawg
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Re: Amateur Porn + Photoshop Filter = Art
Posted: 7/29/2011 4:15:12 PM
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Photoshop is at once the most amazing artistic tool of the last 10+ years, and also one of the worst. Worst, because it makes people with no ability think they can make something out of nothing just by slapping on a few FX. You can't polish a turd but many do just that, as you point out!
I've seen some stuff that, without the PS BS, would actually fit a nice niche of grungy, exhibitionist or DIY art. As a big follower of the original UK punk rock scene, I've always been into the concept of kids/enthusiastic amateurs pushing for a place alongside the professionals. The innovations of Xerox made printing suddenly available to all, and young, energetic bands showed you no longer had to be classically-trained and know many chords to be in a rock band. Similarly, I find the digital age equally exciting in its ability to allow ordinary people access to cheap (or even free) creativity, whether music production, video editing, or photography.
My point here is that maybe the internet (such as this very site) and innovations (such as camera-phones) are actually changing the boundaries, perceptions and meanings of art literally under our very noses - and it's a movement, or phenomenon, that may only become to be understood in retrospect.
I still champion the whole DIY ethos, but there's a point where some idiot somewhere always decides to take the p-ss and pollute the pool for everyone else. I doubt many of these folks are Situationists or are true socialists creating art for the people, by the people, so the grey area is probably always going to be there - a matter of objectivity, and personal perception. Ultimately, any work - no matter how tawdry or shoddy it may look, if produced with true, honest intentions and capable of interpretation, may still be perfectly valid art.
So a rule of thumb may be: does the title of the piece have significance? Does the image fulfill a story, or encompass emotion(s)? Is there any intention within the piece beyond "look at my tits/ass/dick etc" ? Has that PS filter been added for any reason other than that someone just thought that the burlap texture layer looks really awesome?
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Somtam
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Re: Amateur Porn + Photoshop Filter = Art
Posted: 7/29/2011 6:36:27 PM
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I couldn't agree more!
Evolution is constant and, specially now with this new aera of digitized Media, everyone has sofisticated software at the tip of a click...
Also this phenomena cristallizing from the internet: Exhibitionism pushed to the max with explicite sites like "I shot myself" "Vote for my pussy/dick" etc. etc. and etc.
The additional anonymity makes it even worst as one might get hooked on this kind of post-puberty "comparison of genitalia"...
I agree with The Dawg remarks about Title, Story well actually "The Concept" of a gallery.
Real Art provoques a reaction from the viewer, emotions...
It IS a concept (what the Artists wants to express).
So it has a Title, an introduction and, Every Artwork HAS a Title (NOT photo 123654897)as it expresses the Muse of the Artist who created it.
In my humble opinion, you are doing the best Justin, while enhancing EroticArtists with innovative criteria like your new "Score" implementations - which I find excellent!
Since beginning, you give also the opportunity to every member to comment, give appreciation points, even "Alert the Admin" as well as nominating and featuring...
Many Fellow Artists here expose like I do explicit Erotic Art.
With a Concept, the motivation and passion to create an Artwork which should provoque a reaction from the "Art affectionated".
I sincerely doubt, that a banal sophomoric gallery of the same pose from different POV ad nauseam, will provoque ANY reaction from the contemplator...
At last but not least:
While you are creating one, if not the best, Erotic Art Website, I think, that all Fellow Premium Artist should participate more activelly while giving appreciation points and comments...
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Justin
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Re: Amateur Porn + Photoshop Filter = Art
Posted: 8/9/2011 9:03:58 AM
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My sincere thanks to all 3 of you for your thought provoking and well written replies, I have read through them several times and am very glad for the input.
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The Dawg
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Re: Amateur Porn + Photoshop Filter = Art
Posted: 8/12/2011 6:49:54 AM
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It was nice to have an intelligent discussion to be able to contribute to. ;-)
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Stuart Xland. Xlandphoto
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Re: Amateur Porn + Photoshop Filter = Art
Posted: 8/19/2011 3:13:31 AM
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I recently had a letter asking me 'if i believed the work i produced would still be relevant or representative of an era in fifty years time?'After a while in contemplation i believe that in fifty years the format will have changed significantly, but i could see no reason why not?..Obviously things change,politics and social morality ,religion and technology constantly do, but erotica and erotic art has already survived for hundreds of years and remains 'relevant' despite the era it was produced.Will my work fall into that catogory?, well, who knows..I do believe that as technology changes new artists will find new ways to produce erotica... evolotion indeed..
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Posted: 8/26/2011 12:47:49 PM
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Posted: 8/26/2011 12:48:36 PM
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Bleak Silk
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Re: Amateur Porn + Photoshop Filter = Art
Posted: 3/1/2012 5:45:25 PM
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I know I just joined but what I have to say does carry a little weight...I guess.
I joined this site because it is not as restrictive as another one which I won't mention, I am thrilled *ahem* that we have this site for erotic photos and other Art BUT I think erotic imagery and it's quality is all down to idea and intent behind it.
Basically put if you take a cock picture that consisted of slapping down the camera and taking a pic of your knob you are not going to have anything decent to work with.
Not only that but zero effort has been put in, I believe if you put care into what you are doing and make an effort you can come out with something that at least looks like you were trying to say something.
There are TONS of amatuer porn sites people can post thier bits on without any thought behind them but but it's not really what this site wants to be about ;)
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Posted: 4/27/2012 10:42:01 PM
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Posted: 4/27/2012 10:42:19 PM
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